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Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Dracindo, Sep 6, 2016.

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Would this be a good idea?

  1. Yes

  2. Yes, but the prices/time need(s) to change

  3. Yes, but it shouldn't be for the highest rank of a gamemode

  4. No

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  1. Dracindo Forum Lizard Staff Member Forum Moderator

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    (yes @MrMoustaches/Stijn , I'm stealing your title template. I fen <3)

    Gamemode: All of them

    Extensive explanation of the suggestion:
    The point is that players can buy the highest rank for a specific server, for a certain amount of time, for a smaller price than usual. Example:
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    DRC-ULTIMATE (7 days)  -- €5,00
    DRC-ULTIMATE (30 days) -- €15,00
    Prices can be changed. Players can buy it again. Keep in mind that people who keep buying it again after it expires, will eventually spend more than the actual permanent rank.
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    Using the above chart:
    €100 / €5 = 20 --> 20 weeks --> ~5 months DRC-ULTIMATE (for €100)
    €100 / €15 = 6,66... --> 6-7 months DRC-ULTIMATE (for €90-105) 
    Also, it doesn't need to be the highest rank. It can also be a decent inbetween rank, to give players a taste of a certain donator rank and how much better it can be.

    Why we should implement this:
    This could be the push some people need in order to donate. Some people are wondering how much it will affect their gameplay if they can fly, so they could donate €5 for DRC-ULTIMATE for 7 days and try it out. And once they know how much progress they make because of /fly, they will search the donator shop and check at which rank /fly is unlocked and buy that.
    Same for other commands; they'll check what they would really want and save up for a rank that has everything they need.

    Also, some people are not sure how long they're going to play on DRC. They can play for two months and get bored of it afterwards. So a player can buy the TITAN rank twice for €30 and somewhere in the second month, he gets bored of KitPVP (or DRC) and never returns to KitPVP.
    Hey, it's better than buying a TITAN rank for €85 and only play for 2 months. And they can always decide to go for the permanent rank afterwards, in case they think the permanent rank would be cheaper over time.

    Additional information:
    - Buycraft should have options to give players temporary ranks.
    - DonorManager could also be added to the server. It's not needed, but could be handy for players buying a temporary rank.
    - If the event team can manage monthly events, then the winner(s) can be given a temporary rank like this. It's not an overpowered price, in my opinion. All it takes is a moment of the owner's (or admin's) time to hand over the price.
     
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  2. Joey / JPCore Builder Builder

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    Wow, a real suggestion topic with plugin suggestions aswell, you made my day.
    Voted yes ofc.
     
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  3. drdoct Lapis Lazuli Miner DRC Veteran

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    I think it's a great idea.
     
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  4. LegendaryBurrun Gold Miner DRC Veteran

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    Becide's the fact that is a really good idea. Things like a playershop and changing a spawner won't be abled to be used?
     
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  5. Dracindo Forum Lizard Staff Member Forum Moderator

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    As a full DRC-ULTIMATE, you should have these rights. A player shop can be bought, but you can't extend the rent on it when your rank is expired.

    For kitpvp and skyblock /pv's; I don't know how this works, but either all items in there will reset or stay after expiration. But things like these could be mentioned in the donate shop's window, when looking at the details. With the first message saying:
    • You will have all the permissions of [HIGHEST RANK]
     
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  6. Reynout123 Server Admin Staff Member Server Admin

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    Ok I read it. Nice idea :) some points:

    - Our permission plugin can do this as well :)
    - good suggestion topic :)
    - players could abuse the commands in the time they have it. Don't you think?

    Other then that Nice idea.
     
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  7. Dracindo Forum Lizard Staff Member Forum Moderator

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    If this refers to deathtrapping and other rulebreaking:
    Ban them for rankabuse. In case of 7 days, they will lose the rank when the ban expires. In case of 30 days, demote them if need be.
    Anyone can pay €5 and abuse their rank.
     
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  8. milkacow Obsidian Miner DRC Veteran

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    What about when you buy drc ultimate for 5€ and you enchant everything you have and rename, change spawners etc and then go back to member?
     
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  9. drdoct Lapis Lazuli Miner DRC Veteran

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    dang it milkacow.....shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Don't give it all away.
     
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  10. MeMatty Event Team Event Team

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    That's why there should be an other highest rank to donate for. (For sertain gamemodes) Or just disable some abilities, but that would be a lot of work.

    My opinion: Don't let people get excellency too easy. This would be an excellent way to get money for the server, but if everyone is getting a rank, there eventually won't be anything special about it. And like Milka said: Many people will definitely abuse such opportunities.
     
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  11. Reynout123 Server Admin Staff Member Server Admin

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    Disabling a lot of abbilities? The request to change spawners has to go through Mods/ admins. Enchants is an other story. (Maybe easy) but then you take away the part of "let them taste of the rank"
     
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  12. MeMatty Event Team Event Team

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    True, I was actually talking about the enchanting command and such.
    But like I edited in my post later on:
     
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  13. Reynout123 Server Admin Staff Member Server Admin

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    And the abusing is my main concern.
    But like our forum lizzard suggested to punish them. It is a fix for the problem. But not the suprême one.

    So there got to be an other way.
     
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  14. MeMatty Event Team Event Team

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    I totally agree. Only punishing people isn't the best action to perform every time. If possible, there would always be a solution to it.
    Maybe someone has an idea for fixing this problem?:
     
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  15. Dracindo Forum Lizard Staff Member Forum Moderator

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    Perhaps make it like the /repair command, and add a price to it when using commands like these.
    You would probably have to create a new rank for each server, so that the permanent donated ranks don't have to pay extra ingame money for these commands. And mention this as a handicap in temporary rank's description.
    Code:
    example temp rank Survival:
    [DEMO-ULTIMATE]
    - Prefix of this rank above your character
    - Prefix of this rank in the chat
    - You have almost the same permissions as DRC-ULTIMATE with some exceptions:
    - using /enchant costs [200-1.000] survival dollars.
    - using /rename costs [100-200] survival dollars.
    - You can't ask for a spawner change.
    - You can't rent a player shop.
    - You can't exceed your current /sethome limit.
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    example kitpvp rank:
    [DEMI-GOD]
    - Prefix of this rank above your character
    - Prefix of this rank in the chat
    - You will have the same perks as TITAN with some exceptions:
    - /pv will reset after the rank expires.
    
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    example creative rank:
    [HANDYMAN]
    - Prefix of this rank above your character
    - Prefix of this rank in the chat
    - You will have the same perks as ARCHITECT with some exceptions:
    - You can't exceed your current plot limit.
    - You can't place redstone.
    - You can't use /ptime.
    
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    example skyblock rank:
    [TRAVELER]
    - Prefix of this rank above your character
    - Prefix of this rank in the chat
    - You will have the same perks as LEGEND with some exceptions:
    - /pv will reset after the rank expires.
    - You won't get extra homes.
    - You can't create a shop.
    - You can't use /ptime.
    - using /enchant costs [5-20] skyblock dollars.
    
    I might have missed some commands, but this pretty much nerfs the ranks. You won't get some perks and some will cost you an additional fee. Would this resolve this kind of rank abuse, @Reynout123 ?
    Also, keep brainstorming about what perks should be listed and nerfed/removed as well and whether some Pay2Use commands should be cheaper/more expensive.
     
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  16. Reynout123 Server Admin Staff Member Server Admin

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    It's a nice fix! I like it! And it's clear as well Thanks to examples listed in a nice way! Kuddo's for that ^_^
     
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  17. GigantDude Event Team Event Team

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    In my opinion: give them all the permessions of the rank they donated for, why would i ever donate for a rank if i cant even have all commands? You should let go of the spawner idea, but the enchants arent really that important why not just give those?


    In my head this sounded much better
    Off to work again
     
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    So basically we want to rent them a hamburger without any meat?
     
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  19. Dracindo Forum Lizard Staff Member Forum Moderator

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    This was my initial thought at first, but yeah, think about it:
    Donate €5.00 for 1 week of DRC-ULTIMATE. After the week is over, you'll have:
    • 100 homes set pretty much everywhere.
    • A player shop still active for about 30 days (or 14, I don't know for how long you can rent a shop there)
    • Have a spider/zombie spawner transformed in a skeleton spawner (with bones and arrows selling better).
    • All swords with looting 3 and everything with unbreaking 3, which they might sell (which breaks the rules)
    I'd rather see it as a free trial of Pay2Play games. They also give you most of the game, but not everything, for only a week/month. Except this costs a little something.
     
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  20. MeMatty Event Team Event Team

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    No, it's like borrowing something and not giving everything back.
     
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